Quebec losing young people to interprovincial migration, report shows

[ToxiK]

Il y a 3 heures, mark_ac a dit :

 

Pure utopia. We live in Canada, your passport says Canada, so does your currency and borders. You are a subject of the Bank of Canada, the companies that are based in Canada, the laws of Canada etc.  The vast majority of Quebec inc. does business within Canada.  Before conquering the world, kind of need to do well in your local economy first.

We live on Earth first, and that what our playground should be.  If we can get the Canadian market, good.  If we get the international market first, even better.

That is what I am saying from the beginning: let's not concentrate on the canadian market, let's aim for the world !

[ToxiK]

Il y a 11 heures, Né entre les rapides a dit :

For its part, Montreal had definitely lost its status as Canada's number one city a while ago.  But even in the city's heyday, let us not forget that its manufacturing base was  disproportionately composed of low value-added sectors paying low wages.  Montreal had some rich people, but it was not a rich city.  And its home province (Quebec) was poorer,  which imposed a heavier burden on the few who made good money (following the Duplessis' years, ever since the beginning of the «Quiet Revolution» in 1960, when huge efforts to improve public services lead to very large increases in spending ...and taxes).

Exactly.  Québécois were stucked with low paying jobs while more educated anglophones owned the companies and occupied the higher jobs.  That order worked well for them and it didn't bother Canada that it worked that way.  That was the way it was suppose to work.  Bue it didn't work for Québecois and we decided to change that.  We needed to educate francophones, but that costed money.  We had to raise taxes which displeased some businesses.  Why bother raising taxes for higher education while businesses had enough educated (anglophone...) workers?  Anglophones could afford to send their children to university and that workforce was enough to make the ecomomy work, so there wasn't any any need to change that.  It worked for them, but we had to make changes so it could work for us too and that didn't pleased the economic ruling class, so they left.

Those changes had to be done and now, they are done.  It hurted but we can now start to harvest the fruits that were planted back then.  The worst part is over, now we need to look in the future and toward the world.

[Maisonneuve]

I think you guys (and ladies too I'm sure) let mark_ac rile you up too much. I use to get mad at him too, but it's better to talk about how people actually live their lives and make decisions, which can be messy and complicated, rather than stats that matter mostly to economists.  

All the premier city-second city discussions aside, what stats about people moving to a city never show is the failures or outcomes that are not ideal. Not everyone who moves to Montreal from another part of Canada, the US, or abroad has a success story. Some people come here and fail, or their plans get derailed by....life.  Some just fail miserably. Others come here and succeed wonderfully. Montreal is no different than other cities when it comes to this. The problem with these "stats show people are moving to city X,Y" articles is that they assume that all those outcomes are successful. That all those people found what they were looking for in their new city. This is not reality. We mostly hear about the success stories, what people would have you believe on their social media profiles, or what boosters of a city would have you believe.

We mostly hear: I moved to LA to become an actor, and after a few months, I got a part in a TV show.

We rarely hear: I moved to LA to become an actor, but it didn't work out. I'm a car salesman now or I'm just a waitress.

We mostly hear: I moved to Toronto and got a job with a fintech startup downtown.

We rarely hear: I moved to Toronto and got a job with a fintech startup downtown, but had to get a second job just to make ends meet.

We mostly hear(from Montreal International or Contact MTL): I moved to Montreal to take a job with a gaming company from the UK that just opened up shop.

We rarely hear (from Montreal International or Contact MTL): I moved to Montreal to take a job with a gaming company from the UK that just opened up shop, but the company cut back its Montreal operations after a year because it was getting mired in too much local red tape.

When people leave NEW YORK, where do they go? Austin, Texas....Charlotte, North Carolina....Savannah, Georgia....Los Angeles and other points in between.

So people are leaving Montreal? I'm sure they are. As I said in a previous post, people are always leaving cities for other cities for all types of reasons, sometimes without considering the practical pros/cons of their new city, because they assumed it would work out. But cost of living alone, will have some of those people returning to Montreal, and we will never know because the stats consider such people as NEW. Some will return to a better Montreal that is not such of a giant chantier de construction!! And that is not wishful thinking. People do come back and don't regret it. I'm one of them.