Quebec losing young people to interprovincial migration, report shows

[peekay]

I produce stats for a living and I can tell you with absolute certainty that The Gazette is manipulating the public with these figures. I should know, I do it all the time. (Not willingly)

Sales are down? Broaden the timeline to include profitable quarters. 

Expenses up? Don't include the mega project that you got a 10% subsidy for. Title the graph "Company X expenses" and put an asterics next to it. In the asteric explain that it is for non-fully-subsidized projects.

The Gazette went all the way back to 1981 because it fits their narrative. It scares old english people who still think the french will steal their land. Who do you think still reads the newspaper?

English Montreal media is the absolute WORST!

 

 

[redfu]

Le Québec perd beaucoup de jeunes aux mains d'autres provinces

L'exode des jeunes est une véritable «hécatombe démographique», selon l'IEDM.

 

La Presse Canadienne

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Le Québec a perdu aux mains des autres provinces canadiennes beaucoup de résidents âgés de 45 ans et moins au cours des 35 dernières années, ce qui a contribué à l'actuelle pénurie de main-d'oeuvre.

Une étude que publie jeudi l'Institut économique de Montréal (IEDM) sur la migration interprovinciale a noté une légère augmentation de la présence de cette catégorie d'âge au Québec depuis 2010, mais elle la qualifie d'anémique.

De 1981 à 2010, le nombre de personnes âgées de moins de 15 ans a reculé de 12,6 pour cent alors qu'en Ontario, il a progressé de 16,2 pour cent. Dans la catégorie des 15 à 44 ans, le déclin au Québec s'est élevé à 5,1 pour cent alors que l'augmentation en Ontario a été de 26,1 pour cent et de 20,8 pour cent, en moyenne, au Canada.

L'économiste Marcel Boyer, chercheur associé à l'IÉDM, constate qu'en plus d'avoir perdu un grand nombre de jeunes aux mains des autres provinces, le Québec en a peu accueilli en provenance des autres régions du pays.

«Hécatombe démographique»

Le professeur Boyer, qui qualifie le phénomène de véritable hécatombe démographique, estime qu'il aura des effets importants à long terme sur la disponibilité de main-d'œuvre. À son avis, l'économie du Québec souffre de la faiblesse de son pouvoir d'attraction.

L'Institut économique de Montréal affirme que les principaux facteurs qui encouragent la croissance démographique, particulièrement le solde migratoire, sont la création d'emplois, les perspectives de croissance, la flexibilité du marché de l'emploi et les possibilités de développement personnel et professionnel. Or, l'IÉDM a noté que depuis 35 ans, seulement 18,3 pour cent des emplois à temps plein créés au Canada l'ont été au Québec.

L'économiste Boyer affirme qu'une économie trop protégée, par exemple par une prépondérance trop forte des droits acquis et de l'ancienneté, devient nécessairement plus sclérosée et moins accueillante.

https://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/07/26/quebec-deficit-migratoire-jeunes-provinces_a_23490035/

[fmfranck]

On dirait que les journalistes n'ont lus que la partie portant sur 1981 à 2010. Une analyse qui n'est ni nouvelle, ni actuelle.

Tiré du rapport : 
 

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2010-2017 : un léger rebond

De 2010 à 2017, le Québec a « retrouvé » quelque 118 000 personnes âgées de moins de 45 ans. Le nombre de jeunes de moins de 15 ans a grimpé de 6,5 % (+79 600), ce qui est mieux que le ROC (+3,9 %) ou l’Ontario (+0,7 %). Le nombre de Québécois âgés de 15-44 ans, lui, a augmenté de 1,2 % (+38 400). Cette augmentation, certes bienvenue, reste anémique lorsqu’on la compare aux hausses correspondantes dans le ROC (+5,5 %) ou en Ontario (+5 %).

Il faut relativiser.

La population de 15-44 ans grossie peut-être moins vite, mais avec la loi 101, les moins de 15 ans (qui constitue la meilleure augmentation au Canada) issues de l'immigration seront mieux intégrés au Québec et resteront en plus grand nombre.

[MtlMan]

L'IEDM aussi est pas mal bon dans ce genre de ton alarmiste. 

[qwerty]

When Alberta was red hot, obviously lots of young Quebecers have migrated over there.

The last 5-7 years are different and this is what matters, crying on the reality of the 80' and the 90's is pointless.

Some people just like to feel bad about themselves… this is up to them.

[ToxiK]

Il y a 11 heures, mark_ac a dit :

 

4.) Companies in Quebec/Montreal are getting increasingly nervous 

          a.) recruiting talent from outside our borders due to complexity of language, taxes etc.

      

Many companies should look at their recruiting practises.  Too many people are  being turned down because their names sound too exotic.  And Québec could do better to recognized diplomas from other countries.  How many immigrants are undermployed beause of that?

Il y a 11 heures, mark_ac a dit :

1.) Quebec continues to disproportionately lose young educated brains to Toronto primarily. 

Maybe we should link our low tuition with a promise to work for some time in Québec after getting a diploma.  If people still chose to leave, they should repay what their higher education costed.  We should not be running a charity for other juridictions by paying for their future workforce higher education. 

[ToxiK]

Il y a 11 heures, mark_ac a dit :

 

@ToxiKyou're a lost cause my man. Still got plenty of love for you, not to worry. Tu sembles avoir peure de la realite.

Don't worry about me, I understand very well what is going on.  As I said before in other posts, we won't beat Toronto (or other places) by doing exactly what they are doing, we need to develop our own way.  It is like a store having competition from Wal-Mart.  If they try to beat them on prices by cutting their services and quality, they will lose.  You can't out-Wal-Mart Wal-Mart.  The same way, you can't out-Toronto Toronto.  But we can out-Montréal them, or rahter, we can out-Montréal ourselves by becoming better in our own way.  Maybe we won't get the business types that just want low taxes and an little regulated English-speaking environment, but we can get the creative class who prefer a good quality of life, a stimulating environment and a cultural life (not limited by only american culture).

Ler's work on getting more of that, and let's try do do it more efficiently so we will still have money for other stuff (including some tax cuts).

[mont royal]

33 minutes ago, mark_ac said:

You do realize that, in a most ironic way, we are much less "maitre chez nous" then we have ever been. Mostly everything (financial, capital allocation, retail, infrastructure, media, power) is centrally controlled in Toronto.  To your point, you can't out-maneuver Toronto, it has control over our city/province/country. I find this ironic and even moronic given that the intention of the quiet revolution, the result is we're more subservient than ever. 

I'm all for your vision of developing things a la Montrealaise, but what does that mean in terms of attracting talent/retaining talent and positioning our city to no longer be relative economic laggard? Sounds like a lot of hocus pocus kool-aid type talk. How will the creative class create jobs and economic prosperity for our city other than AI Research and Visual effect studios?

So what are your proposed solutions?

[ToxiK]

Il y a 7 heures, mark_ac a dit :

You do realize that, in a most ironic way, we are much less "maitre chez nous" then we have ever been. Mostly everything (financial, capital allocation, retail, infrastructure, media, power) is centrally controlled in Toronto.  To your point, you can't out-maneuver Toronto, it has control over our city/province/country. I find this ironic and even moronic given that the intention of the quiet revolution, the result is we're more subservient than ever. 

Well actually, a lot of things in Québec are centrally  controlled from New York, London, Toulouse or China.  That is the effect of a globalized world.  You can argue that before the 1960's a lot more were in the hands on people in Montreal but that doessn't mean that they were in control by Québec.  Back then, economical power was held by an English-speaking minority that didn't thought too much about Québécois.  To be honest, I don't see much difference if that power is hold in Montréal or Toronto because when it was held in Montréal it was held in a fortress protected from Québec influence.  Might as well be in Toronto, at least there we know where it stand for. 

Now we hold more power in Québec that we use to, even with counting what we lost to Toronto.  We didn't had a Caisse de dépots back then.  How many Québécois had their own business then compare to now?  How many Québécois held high jobs in companies?  How about now?  Back then, Québécois were the porteurs d'eau, we were cheap labor for a ruling class.  We are not anymore, and we are still making progress.  That kind of changes hurt but in the long run it is for the best.  And we are starting to see more of the benefits of those changes.

Be honest, the situation in Montréal is improving and is becoming better then it ever was.  It is not the case everywhere in North America.

[ChrisDVD]

^^  This is gold.