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1 hour ago, mont royal said:

If the problem is perceived as tourists being subjected to seeing beggars, it can be easily solved. In some countries beggars are imprisoned; in others they are restricted to certain areas of town; in others, they are disappeared. Problem solved; for the tourists at least. A nice clean sanitized city. Of course, these cures are worse than the disease...and the disease is poverty, or economic disparity, or addiction. Hiding beggars solves nothing.

 

 

Begging should be the last recourse. For many begging money is a way of life not by absolute necessity. I agree to help people who really need money. Not for beggars coming from others provinces to spend the summer in Montreal. 

As a montrealer i'm fedup to get so many beggars  to every highway,  bridge entrance and exit. 

 

 

 

 

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il y a une heure, andre md a dit :

Why so many beggars ? 6% unemployement in Quebec also we are paying tons of taxes to get more social services . I don't catch it. 

 

Beggars are not beggars just because they don't have a job.  There are some heavy cases of mental illness and drug use among beggars.  The problem is deeper then that.

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27 minutes ago, ToxiK said:

Beggars are not beggars just because they don't have a job.  There are some heavy cases of mental illness and drug use among beggars.  The problem is deeper then that.

Begging money in the street is a  new trend now . 

We could even see tourist begging money to pay for their trip. 

http://observers.france24.com/en/20170410-“beg-packers”-white-tourists-who-beg-southeast-asia

Real homeless people with mental problems quite often stay isolated and doesnt  begg for money.

 

 

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2 hours ago, andre md said:

Begging money in the street is a  new trend now . 

We could even see tourist begging money to pay for their trip. 

http://observers.france24.com/en/20170410-“beg-packers”-white-tourists-who-beg-southeast-asia

Real homeless people with mental problems quite often stay isolated and doesnt  begg for money.

 

 

Most of the homeless in Montreal are individuals who have mental issues compounded with drug abuse, but maybe instead of solving their problems and helping them to get out of the streets we could deport them to Nunavut so you and the tourists are not bothered! So much for social empathy and human decency!

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11 hours ago, alaink said:

Most of the homeless in Montreal are individuals who have mental issues compounded with drug abuse, but maybe instead of solving their problems and helping them to get out of the streets we could deport them to Nunavut so you and the tourists are not bothered! So much for social empathy and human decency!

Most of the beggars are not homeless. 

Some of them are from other provinces spending their summer in Montreal. 

I doubt that Montreal having more people with mental issue than any other major cities. 

Of course I won't give money to a junkie this is not helping him.

Robbing people to get money to buy drugs this is human decency maybe.

From my own experience i tried to help an alcoholic living in the street. I let him living in an apartment belonging to my mom for free. And you know what happens he put fire in the apartment with a cigarette because he was too drunk and fall asleep. I learn my lesson. 

 

 

 

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Il y a 18 heures, andre md a dit :

Why so many beggars ? 6% unemployement in Quebec also we are paying tons of taxes to get more social services . I don't catch it. 

 

Bonne question. Le taux de chômage est aussi très bas aux États-Unis. Pourtant, tellement de pauvreté, et pauvreté crasse je veux dire. Le taux de chômage, c'est une chose. La répartition des richesses, une autre complètement.

Il y a 13 heures, andre md a dit :

 

From my own experience i tried to help an alcoholic living in the street. I let him living in an apartment belonging to my mom for free. And you know what happens he put fire in the apartment with a cigarette because he was too drunk and fall asleep. I learn my lesson. 

 

 

 

This is a bad experience, for sure. But others I've read about are more positive. Do not underestimate the value of helping. Collectively, it will be much more powerful a tool for social peace.

But I can understand the frustration concerning your appartment.

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1 hour ago, MtlMan said:

Bonne question. Le taux de chômage est aussi très bas aux États-Unis. Pourtant, tellement de pauvreté, et pauvreté crasse je veux dire. Le taux de chômage, c'est une chose. La répartition des richesses, une autre complètement.

Et pourtant l'etat est tres present au Quebec pour aider les gens ici alors pourquoi autant de mendicité ? C'est devenu une facons facile pour certains pour avoir de l'argent. 

Et je le repete beaucoup de ceux qui demande de l'argent dans la rue ne sont pas des sans abris ni des gens avec des problemes mentales.

Juste aller observer le trio qui font le poste de peage improvisé a la sortie  Angrignon de la 720 . Tres bien equipé avec des impermeables quand il pleut en short quand il faut beau. Ils se relaient quand l'autre arrive comme un vrai quart de travail. Drole pareil parcequ'ils disparaissent  quand la police est la pour faire la circulation durant les travaux de la 720 pour l'echangeur Turcot. 

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This is a bad experience, for sure. But others I've read about are more positive. Do not underestimate the value of helping. Collectively, it will be much more powerful a tool for social peace. 

But I can understand the frustration concerning your appartment.

Frustration because it wasn't  my apartment it was my mom apartment and she agreed to help this guy because i asked her to do so. I lost my face in front of my mom trying to help this guy.

I still helping people. But for alcoholic and junkie , sorry i pass my turn. 

 

 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, andre md said:

Most of the beggars are not homeless. 

Some of them are from other provinces spending their summer in Montreal. 

I doubt that Montreal having more people with mental issue than any other major cities. 

Of course I won't give money to a junkie this is not helping him.

Robbing people to get money to buy drugs this is human decency maybe.

From my own experience i tried to help an alcoholic living in the street. I let him living in an apartment belonging to my mom for free. And you know what happens he put fire in the apartment with a cigarette because he was too drunk and fall asleep. I learn my lesson. 

 

 

 

So from one bad experience you are able to pass judgement on all the beggars in Montreal, maybe what you should do is spend a day volunteering with the people who help the homeless and maybe you will be surprised by what you learn about them.

If you think the situation in Montreal is bad, you should definitely check out Vancouver downtown eastside which has one of the highest rate of homelessness, sex workers and junkies in the country

let's be clear about one thing, I am not defending how some individuals act but believe me very few people end up in the streets by choice, this is mostly due to mental illness or drug addiction and both are diseases that they need help with instead of judgement on their social condition.

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14 hours ago, alaink said:

So from one bad experience you are able to pass judgement on all the beggars in Montreal, maybe what you should do is spend a day volunteering with the people who help the homeless and maybe you will be surprised by what you learn about them.

If you think the situation in Montreal is bad, you should definitely check out Vancouver downtown eastside which has one of the highest rate of homelessness, sex workers and junkies in the country

let's be clear about one thing, I am not defending how some individuals act but believe me very few people end up in the streets by choice, this is mostly due to mental illness or drug addiction and both are diseases that they need help with instead of judgement on their social condition.

You don't get what i'm telling. 

They are more and more beggars in Montreal not because they are more people with mental illness ,drugs addiction or alcolism. It's a new trend to begg money in the street in Montreal. Monsieur and Madame tout le monde are asking money in the streets now. 

Of course Vancouver having more problems with addiction than Montreal. Fentanyl usage  is a  huge issue  over there. 

And ask anyone who works with peoples with addiction to drugs and alcool  it's really difficult to get rid of it. 

For my side i gave up trying to help them. Of course there is peoples who get out of this terrible situation. But it have to come by themself first.

I still helping peoples but with different situation.

 

 

 

 

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