Montréal au 14e rang pour les "Milllenials"

[andre md]

10 minutes ago, mark_ac said:

would love to see some of that spirit in our fair city nonetheless.

Have colleagues in Edmonton and Winnipeg and they can't stand the colleagues of Toronto they are so selfish they think they are the center of the universe.

[andre md]

10 minutes ago, mark_ac said:

In fairness they are. Power/Capital/and Demographics have centered there. Might not like it, but its reality.

The reality is that they are arrogant.  I prefer a country with more than one economic and political center.. England, France and Argentina are not good examples.overcentralized politics and economy.   Buenos Aires is 60% of the economy of argentina that's a non sens. 

Better to be like Australia and Germany even Spain having more than one huge city controling everything.

Canada is between those 2 kind of countries. Look what happen when we centralized everything in Toronto real estate prices are skyrocking,

 

 

 

[fmfranck]

il y a 56 minutes, mark_ac a dit :

would love to see some of that spirit in our fair city nonetheless.

I've read plenty of articles recently that hype up Montréal... but it was in the french press. Sorry, I don't read the Gazette unless I have to, and The Suburban is not worth my time... or anyone's time really.

[Chris1989]

Mark, grow a brain. Please. We're all waiting. Using JdM as an argument is laughable.

Using Gazette is laughable. 

Using Toronto newspapers is laughable. Start looking at the stats. Stats you always go on and on about. Stats that show we are just fine and dandy. Just because we rank 11th in something and Toronto 10th, how the fuck is that worthy of failure? Get some different coloured glasses, because yours are covered in shit.

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[Chris1989]

You cherry pick Mark. That's my problem with what you post. Gazette has had many positive articles this past year, so have a number of different publications but you focus on the negative ones and always throw in a "see, we've slipped since 1976", which is, I mean come on, how can it not be seen as a veiled shot at the French. You're suggesting Quebec started sucking when the French took control of the wheel and we haven't ever recovered. I'm an Anglo and that shit infuriates me. I'm sure you'll argue you never said anything like that, but then WHAT have you been insinuating all these years? 

I understand as an Anglo, its hard to look at 1976 and not see it as the beginning of a "downfall", but that was going to happen one way or another. It was despicable that the English establishment controlled this province when a vast majority of the population were Francophones. If you disagree with that, you're beyond repair. We've had a rough four decades economically, no doubt about it, I'm not blind to it, but I think everyone can agree Montreal is much more unique and much better off today than it was in 1976. We would not be who we are today without that "hiccup". We've been around for 375 years and I firmly believe that in the future, the 40 or so years of "rough economic times" will be seen as a tiny little blotch in the history of the city. The future generations won't remember that unemployment was high, that shops closed, that hundreds of thousands fled. Some will obviously recall it, but most will see it as the era when Cirque was born, the Jazz and Comedy fests, Moment Factory becoming a force around the world, when the French population finally got their voices heard, when the city began to gentrify, when our culinary scene somehow topped our past one, our schools were considered among the best on the planet and the city recognized as #1 in the world to be a university student. A lot of this is only now happening because we've gotten better at marketing the things we're good at. Old Montreal was a forgotten area of the city 20 years ago. Tourism was incredibly low, and now it's become one of the most visited tourist areas on the planet. It's estimated 6 million tourists visit the area every year; by comparison Vatican City sees 4.2 million and the Colosseum gets about 4 million. Isn't that insane! We need to start talking about the things we're good at and figuring out how we can expand on it, and grow it to other areas. There's so much to be proud of I can't even list it all. I get you're pessimistic about a lot of things and we need to be vigilant to keep on the right course, but you talk about Montreal as if it's Detroit right now and headed for worse. We're not Detroit. 

Let Toronto be Toronto. They have all the money in the world (apparently) and yet it's still somehow soulless. Toronto definitely has a "thing" going, but tall glass boxes, dirty parks, poor integration between the towers and street, and bland bland BLAND architecture everywhere you go is what they've been working on SINCE they became the biggest town in Canada. And all I ever hear is "But Toronto is getting better!" LOL. I'm sure it's much better than what it was, but they've had 40 years to do better and they still can't match the best cities in the world. What are they waiting for? Maybe it's because it has nothing to do with money and political influence and everything to do with heritage. Montreal's "je ne sais quoi" is passed down from generation to generation. It's in our bloodstream. You either have "it" or you don't. Toronto tried buying some of it and it still did fuck all over there. And perhaps the worst thing about Toronto: they're still as insecure as ever. God help them if any city surpasses them, the rest of Canada will never hear the end of it. When they surpassed Chicago in population they wouldn't shut up about it and argued they were now a BETTER city than Chicago. Really? Jesus Christ. It blows my mind to think some people rank city "greatness" based off of how many humans there are living in a city. 

You know what native Torontonian Lorne Michaels said about Toronto? "There's a thing that happens when you grow up in a place like Toronto. Everyone says stuff like "the food here is as good as New York", and I always respond, you know where they don't say that?" There's two types of people. Those who compare everything they have with everyone else to argue how much better they are, and those who know who they are and don't have any desire to try and compare with or convince anyone else

This town has made some incredible history over the last 375 years, and I truly believe the best is yet to come. 10 years ago I wouldn't have said that, but it feels like everything has been changing since. It started slow in the 2000s and now, well, you all know. No matter how rocky things may get, Montreal will always stand the test of time.

Rant over. Thanks for bearing with me folks.

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[MartinMtl]

Wow. That was epic. Thank you for that. 

[vivreenrégion]

Ce qui est très dommage c'est la mentalité canadienne à toujours vouloir rabaisser les autres villes du pays. On ne voit pas ça aux States. Combien de pays de l'Occident font la même chose ? Le Canada est en crise identitaire, pour quelle raison ? Les provinces canadiennes ont plus de pouvoir que beaucoup d'États souverains. Chaque province est en quelque sorte un petit pays. On se retrouve avec le Québec, et les autres.

[bob]

Mark a raison sur ce point ceci dit: le JdM n'est à peu près jamais positif au sujet de Montréal. C'est ironique avec le nom du journal, mais dans le fond c'est un journal de banlieusards qui n'aiment pas la Ville.

on ne voit que très rarement des articles aussi "gloating" sur Montréal que les quelques exemples sur Toronto postés dans ce fil. Pourtant on serait capable, mais on dirait que ce n'est pas dans notre culture...

[gomtl]

http://www.citiesjournal.com/top-21-reasons-montreal-is-better-than-toronto/

Je n'aime pas l'idée de comparer comme on aime bien le faire à Toronto. C'est trop facile et subjectif. Mais voici une comparaison indépendante (d'une revue américaine sur le développement urbain- State of Washington university) qui démontre bien que Montréal prend toute sa place. Voilà un article encourageant qui démontre bien que notre métropole devient de plus en plus reconnue à l'extérieur. Montréal parle de plus en plus fort, non pas avec des mots mais avec sa culture, sa société unique en Amérique et ses hautes technologies.

 

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[franktko]

Ça ressemble à un article qu'on verrait sur MTL Blog......