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  1. I don’t think you know much about Nephersir7’s vision or opinion. Since he’s already shown you that Antoine-Faucon and Château-Pierrefonds are classified as « artères collectrices », do you really think kids should be able to play hockey on them? I didn’t see anyone play hockey on any secondary roads (collector) or boulevards when I was growing up in the suburbs. As for walking their dogs, I don’t see how it really stops people from going around the block or to the park, nobody is removing sidewalks here... You are obviously very sentimental about this debate and I don’t blame you, as you live in the area and have for a while, but I believe things are way overblown here. When you have to bring up street hockey and dog walks to justify building an urban boulevard instead of a bus-only artery, the debate becomes more anecdotal than anything, with all due respect. So far, all I’ve heard from West Islanders is how buses and bikes are fine, but still they need more space for their cars. How a new boulevard with direct access to a metro station should be built to alleviate congestion in the area (what?), how a bus-only boulevard will increase congestion in quiet residential streets (what?) or how we simply do not get West Islanders because we are some city folks who live in perpendicular street grids with buses at our doors. Guess what... Nephersir7 grew up in the suburbs. Not in the West Island, but with the same old residential streets with no sidewalks and poor bus service, where having a car is a must. He knows as much as anyone on this forum what the reality is in suburbia and he has experienced more than his fair share of long transit trips. He also has an extended knowledge of Montreal as a city and Montreal’s transit in general. I’d like to see the people complaining about the Boulevard 440 actually come up with explanations as to how a new all-purpose boulevard would not add pressure to the existing road network? Or to see some actually calculate some traffic flows or draw up traffic maps like Nephersir7 has done to further illustrate their point? Because the « you just don’t understand the West Island » argument doesn’t cut it. Let’s stop riding in circles here.
  2. @nephersir7 je suis d’accord avec tous tes points mais je ne vois pas pourquoi la voie réservée ne pourrait pas aller jusqu’au Boulevard Pierrefonds, ça ne pourrait qu’être positif. Ça permettrait une desserte plus efficace et fréquente de ce boulevard sans que trop de bus passent par Antoine-Faucon et Château-Pierrefonds. Il faut tout de même penser que plusieurs lignes de bus convergeront vers le Boulevard 440, donc répartir l’offre ne serait pas une mauvaise idée.
  3. Tu as raison! Je ne suis pas chez moi donc je n’ai pas eu le temps de regarder sur Google Earth.
  4. According to the actual STM map, Express buses 401 and 468 use Antoine-Faucon, as well as the 201 Local. Meloche might get a little bus volume on the portion between Château-Pierrefonds and Vivier (there’s a park on one side) of that portion. Budge I really doubt it, just doesn’t seem like a very efficient access to the busway. Like I said, with a new boulevard these smaller streets with access to that boulevard would be congested with cars either way. So the increased traffic point is moot.
  5. And your assumption of busses passing on smaller streets like Budge or Meloche comes from...? Plenty of buses already pass on Antoine-Faucon.
  6. Relocalisation de conduites souterraines ou massifs électriques, ils vont excaver de l’autre bord de la rue.
  7. 17 juillet 2018 Travaux préparatoires près de la station Mont-Royal, encore par NRJ:
  8. How will this increase traffic compared to the current situation? Since cars aren’t allowed on the new boulevard and a new boulevard with cars would increase car congestion on these streets significantly as well?
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  10. J’avoue que l’accessibilité aux handicappés c’est pas tant important
  11. No, but I do live in the suburbs. And I've been to the South Shore and the West Island my fair share of times. I don't think anyone expects West Islanders to take the bus to do grocery shopping or pick up their kids at kindergarten. It's just that reducing car usage for short, useless trips that could be made by public transit (going to a metro station, doctor's appointment, school) helps put in place a more modern, healthy way of living. Of course, before the REM I wouldn't have expected West Islanders to take two buses just to get to Côte-Vertu as taking the car is much less of a hassle... But starting 2023, there will be 6 rapid transit stations between Pierrefonds and Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue, so a change in transit patterns has to occur for the future. Eventually the West Island will densify and become much less suburban than it currently is (I'm talking 50 years here). It was unfortunately built the way it is, in an era where cars were the future and congestion was merely a thought. Transit implementation is more difficult in suburban areas, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. It starts with bold decisions like the Boulevard 440 one. There are many examples in North America of suburbs that were shaped or re-shaped by public transit (our very own TMR, Toronto's North York, Chicago's North Shore, Cleveland's inner-ring suburbs, Boston's southernmost neighborhoods, Long Island, Staten Island...).
  12. I mean, you have to think it’s around that. Kiss-and-ride is not that common. Most people using commuter rail either use park-and-ride or walk/bike to the station. We’re talking about the Kirkland station here, not the concept of kiss-and-ride for the REM as a whole. If the kiss-and-ride option is not attractive for the Kirkland/Timberlea residents, they can still go to the SADB (where there are 20 kiss-and-ride spots) or Pointe-Claire stations depending if the « parent » is going West or East to commute. Sincerely, how should we expect West Islanders to become less car-dependent if we give them every opportunity to stay car-dependent?
  13. For the SADB branch, how many rider share will come from parents dropping their teenage/adult kids every morning (given that the REM is connected mostly to universities)? Less than 10%? Seems like a very limited proportion to worry about. Especially that we’re talking about one station in a specific area... So for that branch there will be maybe 3% of people who won’t be able to get dropped off by their parents without doing a detour... I think these students will learn to get to the station by themselves. That drop off wouldn’t be useful with a congested 440 Boulevard either. If you don’t try to change people’s routines at least a little bit, you won’t be able to change long-term patterns. I understand fully why the West Island is currently car-dependant, but with 6 metro stations coming up, things will change. Even though you don’t believe that bus service in the suburbs can be efficient (and you’re right in a sense that it’s much harder to implement), adding a reserved bus lane in that specific area is definitely a step in the right direction. Why they didn’t extend it to Château-Pierrefonds, I don’t know...